dukeobsrvr ([info]dukeobsrvr) wrote,
@ 2006-03-30 02:42:00
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Reasonable Doubt?
At this point it is far too early to make any judgment as to what went down the evening on march 13. The media (some more than others), the community, and the district attorney have given us a juiced up sensationalist account of what went down that evening based on the testimony of one escort, but have done little to substantiate their claims. Their irresponsibility in handling this delicate scandal is, in my opinion, an overt attempt to spark a witch-hunt in the hope of convicting the team before they even reach trial. They know they are going to need to rely on an incensed “jury of their peers” in order to convict anyone for much more than drinking and noise. Want to know why boys and girls? What happens if the DNA results have already (or do) come back negative. By the police’s own admission, the tests can be done in about 20 minutes, and were already the highest possible priority. How is it possible for the results, which were originally slated for this Monday, to now take another week hmmm…I am puzzled. They conveniently didn’t make it to the lab, right. The delay seems like a spineless attempt by the District Attorney to increase the pressure and let this escalate as a scandal before they make any move. Every day that the lacrosse team remains silent (as they logically should as possible suspects), causes more pressure and public outcry in hope they can either make someone rat or come up with enough evidence to move without DNA.

In reality, there has been very little actual evidence presented. We currently know that the DA believes three players raped and strangled one of the two dancers. The only report we have seen from the police, the search warrant obtained to enter the house on 610 Buchannon, feeds us a heartwarming tale of violent gang rape but fails to tell us what evidence (besides of course our stripper with the heart of gold) corroborates their assumptions. We have seen little information concerning how the DA and the police have reached their conclusion. For example, there has been no information released about the results of the rape kit.** We know it was performed, and we know that since then they have continued to investigate the alleged crimes, but no specific information regarding the examination has been cited other than a reference on espn.com (and apparently the herald sun?) obtained from the DNA test warrant (which has not been released to the public?). If this girl went to the hospital shortly after the rape, there is a medical report that documents the condition she was in at the time and medical evidence of forced intercourse. The powers at be have cleverly led us to believe that during this invasive process the examiners encountered DNA. However, the police and the DA have been suspiciously vague about their findings and have not ventured beyond insinuating that DNA was found in/on the alleged victim. Because of the sweeping DNA tests, we have been tricked into believing that something was actually found in/on the girl. Making any such assumption would be entirely presumptuous.

Now lets move on to the 9-11 call. This new tidbit of information has added a new twist to the turn of events we can verify occurred early morning on the 14th,. According to the tape released, the victim did not call the police. Instead, it was a bystander at the Kroger who saw the woman inside her car apparently drunk and upset. And if any of you didn’t catch it, the cops were called on her. The only conclusion we gain from this phone call is that the alleged victim was visibly intoxicated, and as of 1:22 AM the cops on their way to check on her “misbehavior.” This means, the rape allegation only surfaced after police had arrived to check on the apparently dysfunctional and intoxicated Durham escort. Interesting…and what substances was she on, well we will find out as soon as we see the report from the hospital. More importantly, does anyone want to venture a guess as to what happens when Durham police find a fucked up escort acting belligerently? Oh that’s right they get taken to jail. Hmmm…a motive for lying?

We know 2 escorts were hired two come “perform” for the party. I want to specify ESCORTS, read the paper the woman admits herself that she usually does “one on one dates,” obviously sex is never solicited. You will not find documented evidence that supports me here, but if you’ve ever dealt with hiring girls to work a party there are some generally accepted practices. First, when you are dealing with entertainers of this sort, you can buy pretty much anything. Generally, for any female stripper (non escort) that does house-calls you can always buy a toy show (where the dancer masturbates with toys in front of the men), candle show (same sorta bullshit except now there’s usually a guy involved that will get a nice hot wax treatment), and unlike in a club “touching” is mostly acceptable during lap dances. Usually you can buy sex as well, but its going to cost you more with strippers because they don’t technically sell that. Escorts on the other hand, is a fancy term for prostitutes who are intelligent enough to take advantage a loophole in our legal system. As far as an escort service (or legal pimp) is concerned, customers simply buy the company of the woman. Beyond that, its between you and the escort as to what you want to buy. She will tell you what “services” she will provide and at what price. Depending on the escort, pretty much any sexual act can be for sale. The limits vary from girl to girl, but if anyone goes on “one on one dates” with an escort it is a fair assumption that something more than her presence will be purchased. So please WRAL and company, drop this stripper with a heart of gold bullshit, we don’t even know her name yet but we should go ahead and take your word that she is just trying to make it for her family. Maybe she is, and I personally do not see anything wrong with what this woman does for a living, life is hard, especially in Durham. You do what you have to do to get by. Rape is rape, and even prostitutes have the right of consent. However, when you accept money for sexual action, you start to blur your own line between rape and prostitution.

This is not an argument that the team is innocent or that a rape did not occur. My point is that with the information we currently have, rushing to any conclusion regarding the alleged crime would be presumptuous. Maybe I am crazy, but there is a legal process for a reason, and allegations must be looked at for no more than what they are. The way the community is already playing judge and jury is unfortunate but expected. The presumptuousness of my fellow students is sad, we are supposed to be smarter than that. Maybe we are too smart, we know controversy shames the school’s and ultimately our own individual reputations. Some are feeling real bold now speaking out because they feel we need to tell the country we do not accept this, but will they have the balls to apologize to each player if the allegations are proven false? Rape is a part of a larger violation of a person's personal legal rights, something we are currently denying the 46 members of our lacrosse team. The world is not black and white, and neither is this incident. I am disappointed by the lack of unbiased judgment exhibited by my peers. It’s a game of he said vs. she said, and until we get the forensics back it would be silly for us to rush to any conclusions. No one is going anywhere, and if proof is found the boys will be here awaiting their arrest. According to the team there is nothing to tell with regards to a rape, and since all of them are suspects, talking could only hurt them. Get off their backs until we have all the evidence. They will still be here when we do, and then we can start talking about cracking their solidarity.

Oh I almost forgot. Fuck you Mr. Nifong (Mr. I want to be re-elected and bashing Duke is quite the hit these days with the triangle voters), fuck you Durham, and fuck you to anyone who has already convicted the team in their heads. Right now, I need more evidence. By the way, President Broadhead is the man, standing strong once again.
I hate Durham.
-yours truly

Ps. Those scenes in around campus the last couple days were pathetic. Wait a week, and then start telling the workers at Alpine not to serve laxers, ok honey. I know you get all worked up about this shit and take it real personally, but there is no use burning bridges until the whole story comes to light.

***so at about 12:55 this morning espn.com reported this: “according to the court order that was required to execute DNA testing, medical records "revealed the victim had signs, symptoms and injuries consistent with being raped and sexually assaulted vaginally and anally." The dancer was examined by a forensic sexual assault nurse.”
- like I said the report exists and we need to see it all


From the Thursday morning news and observer: http://www.newsobserver.com/1185/story/423471.html



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(Anonymous)
2006-03-30 09:17 am UTC (link)
Dukeobsrvr, you da man.

Also, this whole "wall of silence" this, "wall of silence" that is complete bullshit. They talked. In fact, in light of this information, it appears as if three of them gave DNA samples twice, and gave statements a few days after this happened. THE FUCKING D.A. LIES. Three of them gave DNA three days after it happened. Where are the results? There is definitely some shit going down that we don't know about, but the protesters on the quad are too busy screaming about hundreds of years of oppression and how this reminds them of jim crow and how they are now afraid that lax players are hiding in the bushes waiting to attack them, to even notice that there is some seriously fishy shit involved in this investigation. I bet the original three DNA samples didn't match, so they then tested all 46 players. They didn't tell us they had already done the 3 DNA samples because that just shows they are running an ineffective, sloppy investigation.

From the Herald-Sun:

"The Police Department issued a news release Wednesday saying that when police searched the house March 16, the three residents of the house, who were all Duke University lacrosse captains, volunteered to go to Durham Police Substation 2 for interviews, the release said. When the interviews were completed, the three men agreed to go to Duke University Medical Center, where they voluntarily agreed to provide "suspect test kits.""

WHY WEREN'T WE TOLD THIS BEFORE?

Keep keepin it real, Dukeobsrvr.

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(Anonymous)
2006-03-30 02:39 pm UTC (link)
Thanks for being thorough and accurate. This is the best thing written on the matter yet. DukeObsrvr has done more for the community than a bunch of professional activists with their pots and pans could have ever done.

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chronicle article
(Anonymous)
2006-03-30 03:27 pm UTC (link)
the chronicle today states the second stripper never re-entered the house, which is contrary to what the accuser stated. she obviously didn't know what was going on if she didn't realize that she was walking back into the house alone. drugs? alcohol? blurred memory?

also, this quote from Nifong is interesting: "Basically it would just be one more thing to prove, and it would not help me in any fashion."
Note that he didn't say, "it would not help the case in any fashion" or the "state's case"...he said "me". this guy has definitely seems to have alterior motives.

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[info]devilwtchr
2006-03-30 05:04 pm UTC (link)
I suggest editing this and submitting it to the Chronicle...

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(Anonymous)
2006-03-30 05:23 pm UTC (link)
i agree.
also, even if DNA comes up as a match, this does not prove rape. Rape has several elements, all of which must be proved beyond a reasonable doubt.

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DNA would be damning evidence - (Anonymous), 2006-03-30 06:02 pm UTC
Re: DNA would be damning evidence - (Anonymous), 2006-03-30 08:21 pm UTC
DA= Douchebag Attorney
(Anonymous)
2006-03-30 06:00 pm UTC (link)
Latest ridiculous quote from NiFong: "They don't want to admit the enormity of what they've done."

This guy is completely out of control. There is NO PROOF yet.

He is a fucking disgrace.

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Re: DA= Douchebag Attorney
(Anonymous)
2006-03-30 06:20 pm UTC (link)
if the case goes to trial its gonna be tough to find an acceptible jury pool nifong hasn't tainted. it already would have been tough seeing as how every black woman (25% of durham) and most black men are ready to crucify anyone white, duke, or lax, much less someone who is all three. now even the people who aren't banging the tools of women (aka pots and pans) will be convinced that these guys did it.

but its actually kinda funny because nifong is playing good cop on camera to increase his profile, as he is going into what will be a close election. but because of what i mentioned above, if this case goes to trial, the defense will move for a change of venue and have a VERY good case for that. then nifong will have to turn the case over to the chatham or wake or orange county da and then won't even be able to brag to durhamites about how he locked up the unholy yankees.

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Great Deduction Watson
(Anonymous)
2006-03-30 07:07 pm UTC (link)
That was a wonderful deduction Watson. You are a real Crime Sleuth. You remind me of FOX News...Fair AND BALANCED. You have showed us the light. Giving us ALLLLL the details that are available for the public at the current moment. Why are you even wasting your time in school? You need to go straight to Supreme Court Justice status. What are you waiting for? Oh...that's right, you forgot one tiny tidbit: THEY DID FIND FIVE (5) accrillic finger nails broken off in the house. I don't know if you are a man or woman, but women know that accrillic finger-nails are very DURABLE, which is why they spend the time and money to get them put on their natuaral nails. My point: in order for these durable nails (5 to be precise) to be broken off, some ROUGH physical activity would have HAD to occur. Not saying anything specifically, but SOMETHING HAD TO HAVE HAPPENED.
I'm no angel, no one is. This society has ALWAYS been built upon hypocrisy. You are yelling at people for convicting the lax players before due process. I would argue that you are ALSO, ACQUITTING the lax players before due process. So, I must say that I agree, right now, there isn't enough evidence to convict them. BUT there is some evidence that makes it so you can't ACQUIT them either. So Watson, my dear boy, stop watching the Perry Mason and Matlock re-runs on TV Land, and hit the books, before you try to put on the robe and bang the gavel.
Thank you. That is all.

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Re: Great Deduction Watson
(Anonymous)
2006-03-30 07:08 pm UTC (link)
if da glove dont fit, you must acquit!

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(Anonymous)
2006-03-30 07:58 pm UTC (link)
God bless you, Dukeobsrvr. I am dead serious. You are saying what probably half the campus is thinking: the lacrosse guys might not be the most stand-up bunch of guys but they do enjoy the right to a fair trial (I seriously doubt that they would have gotten one in Durham even without the media circus) and contrary to what the above poster wrote, they are in fact presumed to be innocent until proven guilty. That's America. Sometimes guilty people go free, and it would be better for that to happen than to put innocent people in jail. That's why the burden of proof is on the state. And rape, being such a severe charge, demands a large burden of proof...something which may prove to be tricky considering that some things appear to have been botched already.

And being a stripper/escort, appearing to be drunk or high, and having a story that conflicts with the other stripper/escort's—none of that helps the case.

I also feel that the "rap sheet" that is circulating on MSNBC, espn, etc., doesn't really amount to anything. So let's see...about 1/3 of the lacrosse team has been written up for underage drinking, public urination, or a noise complaint. We won't go into how none of those are are violent offenses. Instead, let's consider that probably 90% of college students are guilty of one of the above. Or are we naive enough to think that the only drinking that goes on on college campuses is done by of-age juniors and seniors? And noise complaints have been a part of the community off East for years, ever since the social scene on campus has been eradicated. And public urination? When you got to go, you got to go.

And the pots and pans incident was just ridiculous. What exactly are these people protesting? Statements have been given and excuse the lacrosse players if they choose not to share what happened with complete strangers. Also silly is this talk of rich privlege...these guys are so far as I can guess scholarship athletes, not some Old Money SAEs. There may be the illusion that all these guys grew up in the Hamptons or something but I'm guessing not.

By the way, I'm not some random, disconnected person talking here. I graduated from Duke in '04 so I do know a thing or two about the school. I think that university is handling the situation as best as can be expected—they are letting the police conduct an investigation and are in no way stonewalling the proceedings. President Broadhead has already condemned the racial slurs, which seem to be the only "proven" thing about this case. What more do people want? Be angry all you want but you just look like an idiot when you "demand answers" from people who know nothing more about the situation than everyone else.

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whatever
(Anonymous)
2006-03-30 08:04 pm UTC (link)
I would just like to comment on the lacrosse team incident.

"What ever happened to innocence until proven guilty" you say????
Well, if there's anybody on the planet who would rape someone it'd most certainly be elitest lacrosse players who feel they can get away murder. And they will.

Fuck you elitest Duke pricks. I doubt any of the players will be charged, imprisoned, and/or expelled. You're so coddled by mommy and daddy Duke will find some way to cover it up, maybe extortion??...maybe maybe?...hmmm. Yeah.
I wish you lived in the real world.

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Re: whatever
(Anonymous)
2006-03-30 08:13 pm UTC (link)
elitIst. take advantage of the "check spelling during preview" feature if you can't spell yourself. Anyway, once again you're assuming that something happened, when all we have is some sketchy "physical evidence" and the word of a prostitute. Not a "dancer," a prostitute, who could have all kinds of reasons for making up the story, like, say, she has sex with them and they don't pay, or, she's so offended by the racist remarks the guys made that she chooses to make this shit up, or, she was really fucked up and just chose to make up this story. I'd say there's about a 50% chance a rape really occurred.

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Re: whatever - (Anonymous), 2006-03-31 07:58 am UTC
Re: whatever - (Anonymous), 2006-03-30 08:42 pm UTC
First 911 Call Questioned - (Anonymous), 2006-03-30 08:56 pm UTC
Re: First 911 Call Questioned - (Anonymous), 2006-03-30 09:13 pm UTC
Re: First 911 Call Questioned - (Anonymous), 2006-03-30 11:31 pm UTC
Re: First 911 Call Questioned - (Anonymous), 2006-03-31 01:46 am UTC
Re: whatever - (Anonymous), 2006-03-30 10:12 pm UTC
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Re: whatever - (Anonymous), 2006-04-01 10:09 am UTC
A few things
(Anonymous)
2006-03-30 10:27 pm UTC (link)
First of all, DNA tests do not take 20 minutes to analyze. The fact that 45 of them are being done in 2 weeks is incredible. Second of all, the reason that the lacrosse team didn't submit their volunteer tests is because their lawyers cancelled the meeting and required a warrant. Third of all, their lawyers are being just as sensational in the media and riding this out for all its worth as the DA. Fourth of all, while the woman is a stripper and yeah, maybe on drugs/drunk, no one asks for what has been alleged or consents to it. If you read the warrant on thesmokinggun.com and the items that they seized, they have substantial physical evidence. No matter if the DNA comes back conclusive or not, there were crimes committed here. Maybe not as serious as a gang rape, but we cannot blame the Durham community for being outraged and upset by what has come to light. The fact that two girls were walking down the street in their neighborhood and had to deal with those types of slurs being yelled at them is sickening. I am not saying that any of them are guilty. But fair is fair. Regardless of rape, the racial slurs that are on tape are deplorable. And the community at large should know that that type of behavior is not representative of Duke University or its student body.

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Re: A few things
(Anonymous)
2006-03-30 10:34 pm UTC (link)
So far as anyone knows, there are no tapes either audio or video of anything that happened that night. The 911 call was an after-the-fact event. All they have is a complaint by a person who's story doesn't make a lot of sense. And the lacrosse players might not be rocket scientists, but I doubt they would be stupid enough to record anything that may or may not have happened.

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This Cracks Me Up
(Anonymous)
2006-03-30 11:23 pm UTC (link)
It was on another blog:

"Duke under siege, day four: the buses are burning

Surprisingly, the bus that caught fire at the West Campus turnaround yesterday apparently wasn’t arson committed by a Righteous Townie, but instead just the result of routine crappy maintenance by Duke Transit."

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Re: This Cracks Me Up
(Anonymous)
2006-03-30 11:33 pm UTC (link)
uh, not that funny

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Re: This Cracks Me Up - (Anonymous), 2006-03-31 12:19 am UTC
Re: This Cracks Me Up - (Anonymous), 2006-03-31 12:21 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2006-03-31 12:10 am UTC (link)
This post is pretty disgusting, but not too unexpected. You all are already starting in with the "whore" argument. Oh yes, this woman was a "slut" or a "whore" she "asked for it" she even "liked it." She's just lying about those upstanding athletes.

I wouldn't care if she was a 2 dollar crack addicted selling her body every hour, she doesn't deserve to be raped, or have racial slurs thrown at her by a bunch of elitist, coddled, athletes who think they can do as they please without punishment.

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(Anonymous)
2006-03-31 12:20 am UTC (link)
She is lying about those upstanding athletes! I'll bet you that there's not a single dna match and the whole thing was concocted.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-03-31 12:20 am UTC
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The lack of reason and logic in this case is ridiculous...
(Anonymous)
2006-03-31 12:25 am UTC (link)
I've sat and polled about 25-30 of my white male frat like friends who may or may not be privileged. I asked them that if they were aware of a brutal rape committed by a friend at a party which they attended, and they were in turn now suspects, would they come to the police with information? 100% of the response was a resounding YES. Of course. Despite the bad rap that the lax players get, which is not undeserved becuase those guys are real rowdy fucking assholes that treat people like shit, they are not dumb enough to protect 3 rapists and risk time in "rape my own anus" Durham prison. These guys live on the street looking at east campus and would be petrified to venture into the real ghetto of Durham, let alone spend time in the slammer there. You are talking about privileged white kids, remember?

Also, i'm pretty confident that most black people have at least been called that revolting word at least once in their life by some idiot. It's horrible and not acceptable, but I don't know many people who would call the police becuaseof an idiotic statement like that. Especially when you are driving by in a car. Doesn't make any sense...

Maybe I'm totally wrong, maybe these illogical situations are possible. I can also tell you that I have NEVER met a Lacrosse player in highschool or college that I didn't think was capable of committing rape... they are the worst individuals on the campus as a whole.

But the absolute illogical outlash from these people who form army's when they hear the word rape is insulting and flat out wrong both morally and logically.

HOpefully this will make the between 43 and 46 innocent lax players aware of the reaction they will get to wrongdoings because of the way they have treated people their entire lives. Let me give you a little clue, being able to craddle a ball in a woven sack does NOT make you god's gift to humanity or the biggest badass in the world. In fact our Rugby team is probably alot tougher than you kids w/ pads. But your shitty existences do not make you rapists either.

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Re: The lack of reason and logic in this case is ridiculous...
(Anonymous)
2006-03-31 01:29 am UTC (link)
I think the reason other guys arent talking is because they genuinely don't know what happened. At most, only three (four if you count the woman) people really know what did or did not happen.
We also don't know what statements have been given to the police. There are a lot of things that I am sure have not been released to the public.
On a side note, if this woman did lie about what actually happened, it really undermines every true victim of rape out there.
What do you all think about the statement made that even if the DNA doesn't match anyone, the DA will still try to bring charges? When the woman can't give any identifying traits other than that her "assailants" were white? If someone were raping me for thirty minutes, I think I would at least be able to remember a hair color, if not pick them out of a lineup.

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Re: The lack of reason and logic in this case is ridiculous... - (Anonymous), 2006-03-31 02:43 am UTC
Re: The lack of reason and logic in this case is ridiculous... - (Anonymous), 2006-03-31 08:07 am UTC
Re: The lack of reason and logic in this case is ridiculous... - (Anonymous), 2006-03-31 09:17 am UTC
Re: The lack of reason and logic in this case is ridiculous... - (Anonymous), 2006-04-04 05:37 am UTC
Re: The lack of reason and logic in this case is ridiculous... - (Anonymous), 2006-04-04 06:27 am UTC
Holla back
(Anonymous)
2006-03-31 01:08 am UTC (link)
I think your frat/sorority rankings are stupid, but I couldn't agree more with you here. The media, police and DA are fucking everything up—that 911 tape was probably faked, and Nifong is being totally unprofessional. Plus the DNA evidence will probably be deemed illegally collected and dropped.

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UPDATE
(Anonymous)
2006-03-31 01:15 am UTC (link)
If the DNA doesn't come back positive, select members of the lacrosse team are drunk, obnoxious, racist pricks (based on the neighbor's corroboration).

If the DNA comes back positive, then select members of the lacrosse team are drunk, obnoxious, racist rapists.

Whether its A or B, the Duke community is horribly embarrassed to be associated with them...so much so the program should be destroyed all together. That way we have twenty less Long Island meatheads to worry about and our SAT averages can go up...Woopty Doo.

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Re: UPDATE
(Anonymous)
2006-03-31 01:34 am UTC (link)
no no no. If the dna comes back positive, the sex may have been consensual, and they're not necessarily rapists (see below.)

If the dna comes back negative, they might still be rapists, but aren't necessarily racists based on the neighbor's corroboration. See http://heraldsun.com/durham/4-718588.html, where attorneys pick the 911 call apart. For example, first she says she was driving by, then she was walking, first they're hanging out at the wall, then they're at the house, and she identifies the house's number, even though she was supposedly driving by and it's not visible from the road, or sidewalk for that matter. Seems funny.

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(Anonymous)
2006-03-31 06:13 am UTC (link)
if the LAX team is proved innocent (as i suspect they will be) we should all march through durham banging pots and pans

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And cook delicious grains from whole foods in them.
(Anonymous)
2006-03-31 07:28 am UTC (link)
Yeah.

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Innocent
(Anonymous)
2006-03-31 08:05 am UTC (link)
The lax team is obviously innocent. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to shut the fuck up. This fucking shit pisses me off so much. White people are racist this, white people are rich that. Quit trying to take your fucking anger out on the fucking lax team. Why would anyone believe a fucking prostitute? She's black and cracked out. She's fucking looking for a way to climb out of the fucking ghetto. I can't wait until those tests come back negative like we all know they will. They are fucking innocent bro. I hope they hurry this shit up so we can go for the championship.

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Wow, you just made my day
(Anonymous)
2006-03-31 08:09 am UTC (link)
I do believe they're innocent, but that was hysterical. And even though the tests are coming back negative, the da will still press on with his "physical evidence".

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Re: Innocent - (Anonymous), 2006-03-31 08:11 am UTC
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Re: Innocent - (Anonymous), 2006-03-31 08:13 am UTC
Great Deduction Watson
(Anonymous)
2006-03-31 09:29 am UTC (link)
To the "great deduction watson," you don't fucking get it. Dukeobsrvr is not trying to aquit anyone. He's breaking it down, gotta love it

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Dipset, Dipset, Dipset, Dipset (owwww)
(Anonymous)
2006-03-31 09:37 am UTC (link)
How the fuck is the king of new york rocking chancletas with jeans on???????????????

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photo/name sheet
(Anonymous)
2006-03-31 09:44 am UTC (link)
what organization printed out the photo/name sheet of the lax players???? There is so much rediculousness about this whole event that people dont even realize how aweful it is that a group of people would distribute the photos and names of some kids just because they're on the team. its a pretty clear disrespect of the rights of these kids not to be harassed about allegations that are so unevidenced (a lot of those kids weren't even fucking there).

Hope it wasnt some organization at Duke.....

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It definitely was, the worldwide leader said so
(Anonymous)
2006-03-31 09:59 am UTC (link)
That is, espn. I tear them down when I see them, personally.

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Drive-By Shooting Plot?
(Anonymous)
2006-04-01 01:32 am UTC (link)
Friday- 8:30 PM.

Can anyone confirm that Durham police just evacuated all of the houses on N. Buchanan and that they cited credible evidence pointing to a potential gang-related drive-by shooting? Obviously this would be in response to the alleged lacrosse rape.

Let me know.

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Re: Drive-By Shooting Plot?
(Anonymous)
2006-04-01 02:58 am UTC (link)
a gang-related drive by shooting would "obviously" be in response to the alleged lacrosse rape? gangs stand up for imaginary rape victims? News to me.

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Re: Drive-By Shooting Plot? - (Anonymous), 2006-04-04 01:17 am UTC
Aboslutley rediculous article in ESPN
(Anonymous)
2006-04-01 04:51 am UTC (link)
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/columns/story?id=2392159 Some of my favorite quotes: - On Wednesday night this week, a caller to WUNC's public radio program, "The State of Things," said that Duke treats the town like a plantation. - At Thursday's open forum, a Duke student, who declined to be named, said she worked at a local soup kitchen. "You know what the soup kitchen folks think of Duke?" she asked with emotion. " 'Duke s---- on Durham! We hate Duke! " I get a little bit of humor out of that, the idea that we shit on Durham. If by shit on, you mean sustain the local economy (I had read an article and be responsible for the revitalization of the area surrounding east campus, then yes, we shit on Durham real good! Duke employs 15% of all people in durham, pays out over 3/4 of a Billion dollars a year in wages, and has a $2.6 Billion impact on the local economy (source: http://www.dukechronicle.com/media/storage/paper884/news/2004/02/13/News/Universitys.Impact.On.Durham.Hits.2.6b-1467905.shtml?norewrite200603312333) - The players have first names like Breck and Gibbs and Reade, and most of them attended prep schools. In fact, 26 of the 47 players come from the states of Connecticut, New York and New Jersey, which annually are among the highest-income-per-capita states. Wow, I didn't realize you could judge so much about a person based upon their name and their home state. Some would call that prejudice... - On Tuesday, the Raleigh News & Observer broke the story that 15 of the players -- nearly a third of the team -- had been charged in recent months with misdemeanors following drunken and disruptive behavior. For a variety of reasons, most escaped criminal convictions. Oh No!!! Public Urination?!? You are right, it is an abomination that anyone should escape criminal conviction for such a violation of basic shrubbery rights. - One of the T-shirts at a vigil on Wednesday bore this message: "Get a conscience, not a lawyer." So far, the perception on campus is that most players have ignored that advice. Most of them have retained the services of attorneys. In a situation like this, I too probably would not want to retain the right to legal console. - If these assaults are coming from the best and brightest of Duke, it's clear there's something significant going on here that needs to be addressed." If the Lacrosse team is our best and brightest, God help us all... This has no longer has any more to do with the events of the night than ALE diligently patrolling campus has to do with law enforcement..

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Re: Aboslutley rediculous article in ESPN
(Anonymous)
2006-04-01 04:53 am UTC (link)
Wow, that got formatted like ass

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/columns/story?id=2392159

Some of my favorite quotes:

- On Wednesday night this week, a caller to WUNC's public radio
program, "The State of Things," said that Duke treats the town like
a plantation.

- At Thursday's open forum, a Duke student, who declined to be
named, said she worked at a local soup kitchen.

"You know what the soup kitchen folks think of Duke?" she asked
with emotion. " 'Duke s---- on Durham! We hate Duke! "

I get a little bit of humor out of that, the idea that we shit on Durham. If by shit on, you mean sustain the local economy (I had read an article and be responsible for the revitalization of the area surrounding east campus, then yes, we shit on Durham real good! Duke employs 15% of all people in durham, pays out over 3/4 of a Billion dollars a year in wages, and has a $2.6 Billion impact on the local economy (source: http://www.dukechronicle.com/media/storage/paper884/news/2004/02/13/News/Universitys.Impact.On.Durham.Hits.2.6b-1467905.shtml?norewrite200603312333)

- The players have first names like Breck and Gibbs and Reade, and
most of them attended prep schools. In fact, 26 of the 47 players
come from the states of Connecticut, New York and New Jersey, which
annually are among the highest-income-per-capita states.

Wow, I didn't realize you could judge so much about a person based upon their name and their home state. Some would call that prejudice...

- On Tuesday, the Raleigh News & Observer broke the story that 15 of
the players -- nearly a third of the team -- had been charged in
recent months with misdemeanors following drunken and disruptive
behavior. For a variety of reasons, most escaped criminal
convictions.

Oh No!!! Public Urination?!? You are right, it is an abomination that anyone should escape criminal conviction for such a violation of basic shrubbery rights.

- One of the T-shirts at a vigil on Wednesday bore this message: "Get
a conscience, not a lawyer." So far, the perception on campus is
that most players have ignored that advice. Most of them have
retained the services of attorneys.

In a situation like this, I too probably would not want to retain the right to legal console.

- If these assaults are coming from the best and brightest of Duke,
it's clear there's something significant going on here that needs to be addressed."

If the Lacrosse team is our best and brightest, God help us all...

This has no longer has any more to do with the events of the night than ALE diligently patrolling campus has to do with law enforcement..

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Re: Aboslutley rediculous article in ESPN - (Anonymous), 2006-04-01 05:24 am UTC
Racism?
(Anonymous)
2006-04-01 05:35 am UTC (link)
I think the residence of Durham are more racist towards the "privilged white kids" of duke much moreso than anyone here is towards them. I havent witnessed any student be openly rude to a black employee here or any other durham resident for racial reasons. However, they dont seem to mind bashing on us constantly. Saying that the lacrosse team is guilty because they are white elitists and were violent against the stripper because she is black is just as racist as saying that the stripper is lying because she is a poor black durhamite. Its kind of funny how the first part of that statement is socially acceptable here but the second part is not.

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bitches
(Anonymous)
2006-04-01 08:33 am UTC (link)
so.. supposedly, some (race not a factor) guy came up to me this rainy night and tried to steal my duke card for my food points...

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but what he didn't know..
(Anonymous)
2006-04-01 09:23 am UTC (link)
was that food points can't buy delicious grains from whole foods

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Reverse Racism? White Privilege?
(Anonymous)
2006-04-01 04:02 pm UTC (link)
#1, I know plenty of minority members around here that have "privilege".

#2, Even if you are privileged, you don't just walk your way into Duke. I'd say less than 2% of the people admitted to this school absolutely had 0 claim to deserving coming into the school... we've all worked hard, that's the truth.



I'm just rambling here, but once these allegations turn out to be false, does anyone want to stage a protest on west campus against reverse racism. We can all eat some granola, talk about how minorities hate us and categorize all of us into a single "evil" group. Honestly, i'm so sick of hearing about my white privilege that I'd like to knock the next granola eater I hear saying that right in the mouth... except I'm smarter than that.

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JJ is the public face of Duke students - how we really feel
(Anonymous)
2006-04-01 06:01 pm UTC (link)
I'm so glad the rest of the country will pay attention to at least one Duke student's opinion of the lax incident. While the majority of Duke students on the news are crucifying the lacrosse players, those who support the boys are completely shut out because we don't run around like hippies protesting that people are innocent until proven guilty. It's awesome that JJ Redick has a national platform as the national player of the year to say that the lacrosse players are "great guys" and that "it's unfortunate this incident has become such a big deal." Though he is diplomatic in saying that "it should be a big deal if it did happen." We should be proud that our national player of the year is representing the views of the students who know the lacrosse players are decent guys and are innocent til proven guilty.

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hah
(Anonymous)
2006-04-03 05:02 pm UTC (link)
dukeobsrvr=elitist?

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